They both have to be blamed. I just moved to Singapore and i've noticed that for each institution there are all kinds of students. At ITE, some students choose to change their lives and they look at every opportunity as a bright one and thus they behave appropriately. However, some of the others are probably sick of their lives, thinking YOLO, and thus they don't behave appropriately. The sad truth is that from JC to Poly to ITE, the academic capability of a majority of the students decreases. This is how society sees it and when society sees kids from ITE misbehaving, they think it's because they are the least educated, similarly for Poly, thinking they're not academically gifted enough, and they generally look up on students from JCs, because they see them as the most educated batch. Society does not consider the fact that the new generation has different interests and some of them actually want to go to polys and stuff even though they have high enough academic qualifications to enter a JC. So I think that both the students and society are to be blamed for this because the students are square one, and the rest is left to society, and whether they want to consider academic qualifications as a contributing factor for misbehaviour.
I guess it's because of the behavior of the students in the past of the different tertiary levels that makes the society think how they should be behaving right now. Like for the JC students, they ought to be smarter than the others, and are intelligent and all. Poly students should be academically well off too... As for ite students, meh. Ite students are known for being the most rebellious students in the past (and even know I guess) so yeah. Everything is kinda changing now. We can't blame people for stereotyping us kids right now. That's how the society thinks I guess.
Probably because in the past, "A" levels used to be the highest qualification among the tertiary schools, thus JC students are seen to be more hardworking, cleverer and such. (Maybe even now)
Polytechnics may be thought as more "enjoyable" and "slack" because they have their own freedom - e.g clothes they wear, whether or not they choose to attend a particular lecture/class or not at the expense of their attendance record. They also have slightly more independence as their timetable doesn't follow the typical primary/secondary school schedules anymore. Their classes may start at 8AM and end at 10AM or even start at 2PM and end at 6PM. Therefore, society might think that students from polytechnics have an "easier" life as compared to the students.. Nowadays however, studying in Polytechnics is pretty much comparable to studying in JC. In the past years, many students who are easily eligible for JC have chosen to study in Polys, thus the impression that only average/not so good students choose to go to poly might have changed somewhat. What people don't know is that maybe, it might be slightly easier to study in a JC because they have been studying most of the subjects since Primary or Secondary School (English, Math, Mother Tongue, Science). However in Polytechnics, most students have to learn a brand new module as each semester starts, with at least 8 different modules per semester, with an average of about 40 over modules over the 3 years they have spent there. Studying in a Poly isn't exactly easier than studying in a JC at the current moment.
Whereas for ITE, society thinks that only lazy/less intelligent students go there. From what I have seen in life, I pretty much agree with that stereotype but I have to say that there are some intelligent students in ITE too. Maybe they weren't mature enough to study hard enough for their O' levels, therefore they did badly and only had the choice to go into ITE, and ended maturing during those couple of years to do well enough for their final exams. Okay maybe it has nothing to with maturity, but maybe because they have seen that education is important, or that they are treating education more seriously? I also have some people in my social circle who prefer to have more hands on learning and chose to go to ITE.. So no, not only lazy students go to ITE.. :)
ITE, society thinks that only less lazy and less intelligent students go there. From what I have seen in life, I pretty much agree with that stereotype but I have to say that there are some intelligent students in ITE too. Maybe they weren't mature enough to study hard enough for their O' levels, therefore they did badly and only had the choice to go into ITE, and ended maturing during those couple of years to do well enough for their final exams. Okay maybe it has nothing to with maturity, but maybe because they have seen that education is important, or that they are treating education more seriously? I also have some people in my social circle who prefer to have more hands on learning and chose to go to ITE.. So no, not only lazy students go to ITE
IN THE PAST, A levels used to be the highest qualification among the tertiary schools, therefore JC students are seen to be more hardworking, cleverer and such. Maybe even now Like for the JC students, they ought to be smarter than the others, and are intelligent and all. Poly students should be academically well off too... As for ite students, meh. Ite students are known for being the most rebellious students in the past and even know I guess. Everything is kinda changing now. We can't blame people for stereotyping us kids right now. That's how the society thinks I guess.
Polytechnics may be thought as more enjoyable but cnt slack that much because they have their own freedom - e.g clothes they wear, whether or not they choose to attend a particular lecture/class or not at the expense of their attendance record.
Everyone has this stereotypical belief that people in JC are the best and so on. And they have a belief that because their grades are good that means they study which means they are good. Where as in ITE its the opposite or something. But its just really, SICK LOL
there's alot to say for this question, i would say "its how we control ourselves" ;O
WOW. This time, its a tough one. I think its both th students and society.
Lets take for instance, recently there have been news about underage students having sex and all. Then i got to learn that there are girls in UNI doing things like that to gain certain benefits. This, is a real version of they students themselves causing people to stereotype and judge.
Poly students is regarding how they dress ( most of th times ) and JC, well. It seems like noone has yet really judge JC students negatively. Uniforms, A cert. Seems to be doing good till now.
As for ITE its definitely more obvious whereby once you're from ITE people will say, oh... ITE ah? Ok. And they stop questioning. why?! Because it doesnt matter what they do, ITE is just bad. That's what they say! Some even conclude people who look more gangster as ITE students. So tell me, how is this not caused by students themselves.
As for society, its more impactful on those who don't study well. Like its because most people DO NOT hire people from ITE and causing them to be unemployed. Reasons being they are from ITE and they are incapable. But fact is are they really incapable, or it's th company's incapability of seeing their hidden ability? Which?
Society too often judge and push away people they think is incapable. This cause people to follow th "trend" and start judging too.
Okay. Firstly, there are factors from both society and the students. For society, people have web brought up to conventionally think that JC is the best, poly is okay and ITE is horrible. But, there are people who actually from ITE, do very well and enter the JC, scoring in their A Levels. For the students, they are the ones that impact the society outlook in a way. Generally, JC students are more well behaved than poly students and so on for the ITE. And, people usually think that well behavior=good results. So this is definitely a point of debate. But all in all, don't generalize. There are students in the poly and ITE who actually surpass these odds and do even better than JC students.
Partly is because of students behavior. Not being offensive but a lot of ITE students tend to behave like gangsters. Complicated relationships and public behavior. They talk loudly in public and smoke at such a young age. Fighting & arguing with people loudly in public. This literally caused the public's opinion and impression of them to be bad. While some ppl judge some better behavior ITE students as bad kids when they don't know a think about them, I don't like it. It's unfair for them and they don't deserve this kind of attention. In my opinion, I think that a lot of ITE students are behaving badly in the public compared to poly students. Not to be bad but don't you think so too?
I think it's a little of both society and some students attitudes as well?as far as society goes there has always been the stereotype of smarter students are from JC and the not so academic ones are from ITE.this is could have been true say,10-15yrs ago but it's definitely changing now.I used to be from a JC and I tell you people who really ace it there are REALLY hardworking and put their soul into studying.and as of recent its not the case whereby you go to JC cos you're smart.Many JCs scout students for talents like sports and manu find it difficult to cope in later stages.definitely the perception about ITE is changing these days because we have such amazing courses in ITE that caters to non academic students according to their Interests and lots of ITE students do SO WELL!and the trend over the last 5-6 years has hopped from
JC emphasis to poly due to the hands on experience that most industries want.so I feel that our society's mindset is slowly changing to be more accepting and open to the idea of going to poly or ITE.on the other hand,there will always be black sheep who choose to tarnish the reputation that these wonderful ITE/poly students have built for themselves through their attitudes in public/ through the social media such as skipping school and cursing their teachers online or bullying in school. these are the people who always manage to catch the media attention who happily potray an unbecoming side of poly/ITE education to be one that is undisciplined and bad.and then there are also people whose mindsets are just very hard to change such as the older generation parents who insist on stereotyping poly/ITE students because of their own,say,cultural or familial upbringing?whatever said and done,the stereotypes will always be around no matter how large/small scale it is.peace<3
I think I know the reason for some people looking down at ITE students maybe some of the poly students too . Usually adults are the one having this kind of thinking . If is youngsters nowadays having this kind of thinking most probably grow up hearing their parents saying negative stuff about technical students.
They think that is a very bad influence to study in ITE and you can never make it to university . Wasting of time and you will spend a longer time than others to graduate from university ( if you have a chane to go in ) add on , because of the reputation of ITE few years back , students from ITE are literally out of control , that leaves a very bad impression for the adults and the society .
As for poly students , I've never heard of any people saying that poly students are misbehaving and getting out of control . I guess is parents want their chidren to enter some good jc thats why didn't like poly either .
Well that's my own personal thoughts .
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I'm guessing society. Everyone has this stereotypical belief that people in JC are the best and so on. And they have a belief that because their grades are good that means they study which means they are good. Where as in ITE its the opposite or something. But its just really...bullshit.
Practically, BOTH. Students from ITE feels inferior when the JC's / Poly thinks they are above all , in general. & this god damn society grouped us , hello ? If there is a job interview and three kidos from jc, poly and ite were there, who will they choose ? Definitely Jc students or maybe the poly ones. To the society , they think that ite is the end, and categorize them as the ah lian / ah beng school. Yes, maybe there are teens there that is like this doesn't pretty much means that the whole population of ite is . The students there should also stop looking down on themselves. They should prove this society wrong .
You can't deny that there are SOME that really makes us roll our eyeballs at. And because of that I guess some people are just really one sided, and stereotype ALL as those kind of assholes. But that isn't true.. Also, I noticed society forgives the more academically 'intelligent' people. So - maybe society AND students play a part.
Because of the past impression, after that's people started spreading around about how bad it is people who don't know anything about it will believe it and continue spreading around, so the stereotyping of ITE POLY And JC students will never go away because people don't care about finding out more.
Not only the society but the way students from different level of institution act. Kids from JC have this mentality set in their brain that they are from the higher authority in terms of education, therefore they give off the sense of educated aura. Whereas for students from ITE, they are probably already numb to the constant comments of them being the lowest, hence they take those comments into consideration and act upon it.
I dont really think its mainly because of society. Most people have a mindset that JC people are very smart, Poly people are quite smart and ITE people are not very smart. And because of that people automatically assume that JC people are well behaved and ITE people are bad people who waste their time doing unnecessary things. But this is not true, ive seen many ITE people who are actually well behaved. So yea, people should stop assuming (It makes an ass out of them xP) :)
I think it's cos the students in ITE, POLY and JC all behave differently. And people like to associate ITE students to the bad apples and JC kids to the muggers. But they never really try to get to know them well enough yet. I have friends from ITE JC and POLY, and they are still my friends! HAHAH
Don't be too quick to blame society cause honestly , we are part of the 'Society .'
Various factors ; the education system that uses exams to test your IQ . If you don't have the grades , sorry , you can't get into a better school . It doesn't matter if you are more 'hands-on' , that you think better by doing the job , so to say , your EQ is better than your IQ: currently , there's no way to measure that .
And people that dont do well COINCIDENTALLY ( or maybe not ) , don't have a good attitude , either . This doesn't apply for all tho , because I've seen and I know people that don't do well in studies , but is an amazing person holistically .
So , the system that measures an individual's intelligence by tests ( batter grades = better intelligence ) + the behaviour and/or attitude of respective types of school + the human flaw of judging things , you get the stereotyping and what have yous .
But back to topic , if it doesnt matter to you , what should you bother of its okay with 'Society' ? Like a cheesy but true-enough saying , "Love holds no boundaries" (;
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