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I'll stay vegan of course and continue to fight animal exploitation
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I would like to witness the animal finally being liberated from humans tyranny and the world becoming non spiciest.
unfortunately this dreamlike day would never come:
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Can you other things but attacking people you disagree with? do you have any rational arguments? Some facts to prove me wrong? All you did is calling me stupid but you did nothing to prove me wrong.
I challenge you to prove the article I linked wrong instead of saying I’m delusional again and again.
And to answer your question, if people who care about suffering kill themselves instead of trying to stop it, the world is not going to be better but worst so your suggesting doesn’t make sense. I’m not going to fucking kill myself but I’ll keep looking for ways to all the world suffering and you would probably keep hating and bashing everyone who disagree it you and reach nowhere. -
If you agree this insane world must be stopped, if you wish for suffer to cease, then you must try. Initial thoughts about the likelihood of success are irrelevant because you don’t know what the chances are and because as extensively explained all along the website the conventional activism can’t stop the suffer.
The image of a world with no battery cages, no slaughterhouses, restraining devices or wars is the strongest motivation of all.
The animals are counting on you. You know by now that only you and other O.O.S members can save them.
It's no fantasy. It's simple math. The more the O.O.S message is passed, the greater are the chances of success .The more research cells formed world wide- the better are the chances of bringing the day that no one suffers.
Our power lies in our numbers and diversity. Each single cell may stand a small chance of success, but this is not the case for hundreds of cells with hundreds of different varied points of view, approaches, ideas, abilities, resources and methods. The cell with the right lead and the right resources and resourcefulness is bound to come along. It's simple statistics. All it takes is for one group to succeed, and the suffer will be stopped forever. -
Actually and unfortunatelly these are the facts of life:
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The article doesn’t ignore the local food movement at all. You need to read. There are a few relations to local food which still cause a lot of suffering. I understand why you are getting mad because local food is so much better than animal based that you think only an ignorant can compare between the two. And you are right. The thing is that I don’t and neither did the persons who wrote the article. Local vegan food is probably the best there is but better and best are not necessarily good. And a diet that inherently hurt someone else is necessarily bad.
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Why won’t you deal with the facts instead of calling me names. the purpose as written in the article is not to bash veganism but to make vegans and mostly animal rights activists realize that a cruel diet can't be a moral solution by definition. By your remarks I guess you didn’t really read. Please give it a serious chance. It is important. Not everything you disagree with is stupid.
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I can think of now right now but this one made me cry:
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not exactly but not far from it. just read the manifest
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You can find a FAQ here:
http://onlyonesolutionsite.org/faq.html
the creature are not English native speakers and I believe such a profound idea cant be explained shortly. If you really care about ending world suffering you should take the time and read it. -
No it is not because a vegan world is unrealistic but because a sufferless world is impossible. What the article says is that a vegan world Is unrealistic and that even if it was it would still be a cruel world and humans would still systematically abuse and sacrifice animals so actually even the most ethical option is not ethical.
I don’t find the search for a way to eliminate all suffering dumb and weak. If you have better suggesting I would seriously discuss them with you here or by email but only if you are serious because so far all the people who contacted me just through excisions and didn’t gave one single argument against this idea. I find that dumb and weak. If you want to convince me give me arguments and evidences. Like the people who wrote the manifest did. As mentioned they explain why a vegan world is not achievable and it won't achieve a sufferless world even if it was and why do the animal right movement is failing delivering the so simple and right message, why slavery abolishment is nt relevant as an example for the animal rights struggle and why the feminist struggle is not an example as well, why the fur campaign failed, why we must learn from history and see that it doesn’t change much, they tell us about the Denmark issue which is a very strong evident, the gave the early days of AIDS breakout and what we should learn from that, and that’s only a small part of what they researched and wrote in their manifest, they website is also full of multimedia that the one I gave here about veganism is only one of them .there is one in the same style about every possible exploitation industry I could think of including articles about slavery, water shortage, the children state, wars, poverty, women, ecology and the world debt.
Don’t be mediocre. You through your flames now stand behind them and explain. Read what they have to say in the manifest (all of it) and then we can have a serious discussion about it. Otherwise it is just a waste of time. They made arguments that need to be addressed. I want all the suffering to disappear and I am an activist for more than 12 years, probably more than the age of some of the people in this website. Do you know what it is to try to promote such an obvious and simple idea that animals are not means to humans aims and they exist for their own reasons and they that they fell pain just as much as we do and to hear the same crap for people for 12 years?! I don’t know you but I guess you don’t have half of my experience in activism. It is very easy to call an idea stupid but it is much harder to build a strong and evident argument against their strong and evident arguments they build. If you are a rational and compassionate person like me you will be convinced as I have. I was deeply involved with a campaign against pigs’ gestation crates in my country when I bumped into this website and I couldn’t stop thinking about it for a while until I was convinced they are right. Open your heart and mind and you will too. -
Maybe if you’ll stop insult me and start explain to me why am I so wrong I would be convinced. Maybe if I was really a retarded it would be enough to just tell me that my ideas are bullshit for me to ditch them but since I am not you would actually have to give me some arguments to convince me.
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You can’t understand if you don’t read. If you are really interested in the solution that is offered in the end of the article that thoroughly describes what the problem is in the first place, please read/watch all of it. And let me just hint you that’s it is not anorexia. it will take maximum 2 hours of your life to go over it and hopefully the rest of your life to solve it...
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Yeas agree about peta, rspca and groups of this sort. If you know a grass roots radical group in your area that would be best but if not, these are the best national (you’re national at least) of what I know:
animal liberation supports group uk - http://www.alfsg.org.uk/
MANCHESTER ANIMAL PROTECTION - http://www.mapsoc.org.uk
Reading Hunt Saboteurs - http://rsabs.redblackandgreen.net/
The Southern Animal Rights Coalition - http://www.sarconline.co.uk/
Bedford Animal Action - www.bedfordanimalaction.org
BunnyHuggers – www.bunnyhuggers.org.uk
International good groups are:
Bite Back - http://www.directaction.info from USA
Nocompromise - http://www.nocompromise.org from USA
tierrecht aktiv - http://www.tierrechtaktiv.de from Germany
die tierbefreier e.V. - http://www.tierbefreier.de from Germany
ALLIANCE FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS (AFAR) - http://www.afarireland.org/ from Ireland
wakker dier - http://www.wakkerdier.nl from Netherlands
Animal Liberation - Australian Capital Territory (ACT) - http://www.al-act.org from Australia
Animal Liberation Victoria - http://www.alv.org.au from Australia
Animal Liberation Aotearoa - http://animalliberationaotearoa.org.nz/ form New Zealand
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Although I didn’t wrote this article I still ask and expect that if you threw such a rough accusation you would at least specify some of the non based facts you found there. I was amazed for example from the connection they made between bees exploitation and most of the frits we eat so I checked it and it is very well based. Third of the food in the world is pollinated with the “help” of exploited bees. I couldn’t believe it when I read it in the article but if you’ll google it you’ll se for yourself. And so does with the amounts of water used and herbicides and energy and food miles and many other significant points made in this article. They made a serious research and left almost nothing out including recycling problems and packaging and trying to break the raw food myth and etc and you think you can contradict it all just by saying it was poorly written? If you want to convince serious people it is bs proof otherwise. They wrote a very long text with supporting videos and images and quotes and figures to proof their point not let’s see your counter proof.
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A vegan diet is very cruel but yet the best option available so therefore I am vegan myself. I never said “it is a good option but the worst” I said it is the best option because without the slightest doubt animal based food is far crueler but still a bad option because billions of animals are sacrificed for vegan food as well. It is not cruelty free and therefore can’t be morally justified. So what do we do if we want a world without suffer? Enter here:
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I don’t particularly seek to end one animals suffering by causing another to go extinct if there was another way to end the suffering I would seek for that. The extinction of humans is a necessary outcome not the goal. But this is not the place to explain the whole idea. You can read all the reasons and a lot more for that matter here:
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Even raw food is far from raw. When it comes to raw fruits and vegetables, stages include cleaning, sorting, cooling, coating, drying and storage. Usually post-harvest processing is done in mechanized facilities, with conveyor belts, automated sorting, room size refrigerators and etc. The more stages involved the more transportation and packaging. The so called raw foods even receive treatment to improve their looks. Fruits with a greenish tint are placed in special storage rooms where ethylene gas is used to bring out the color. In many cases fruits and vegetables are covered with a wax coating, both to retain moisture and to make them more appealing and shiny in the grocery store. So not only that food items which are considered as the rawest, least processed foods on the shelves go through several harmful processes, they contain bee wax or other secretions of insects as shellac that makes them non-vegan!
And that is not the only connection between bees’ exploitation and allegedly vegan food products. Approximately one out of every three food items humans consume is made possible by pollinators, and honey-bees account for 90% of the pollination.
Vegan food is grown on the expense of billions upon billions of bees, that go through routine examination and handling, artificial feeding regimes, drug and pesticide treatment, genetic manipulation, artificial insemination, smoking, air blasting, transportation (by air, rail and road), starvation, slaughter and of course theft of their sole source of nutrition. You can read more about it in the article Vegan suffer in the multimedia articles section.
It seems that animal rights activists should be reminded all the time that veganism is not the goal but the mean. The goal is a sufferless world.
The veganism fixation is diverting activists from suffer fighters to vegan converters, but a vegan world is not achievable and it won't achieve a sufferless world even if it was.
Everything in life is on the expense of someone else. There is no way to avoid suffer causing. No matter how little we consume, we will cause suffer. There is no sufferless consumption. By participating in this cruel system, we are simply letting someone else cause the suffer for us.
This is not an excuse not to become vegans there is no doubt that it is better than anything else but the fact that veganism is better than the other options doesn’t make it a good option. It is still bad even though it is much better. Animal rights activists must internalize it. Veganism is not enough. It is still a violent and oppressive diet.
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Allow me to quote from the article:
"As hard as it is for us, as vegans ourselves, to say and for you accept, veganism is actively encouraging one of the largest systems of human domination worldwide, which takes a huge toll on the environment and its inhabitants. Eating a vegan meal is participating in a long and complex web of intensive food production. Animal rights activists are so dazzled by the allegedly moral option that they forget some of the basics of every industry which are not absent in the case of vegan products. They know or at least can figure out that among the main stages of plant based diet production are land clearing, plowing, irrigation, fertilization and pesticides dispersal, harvesting followed by a great deal of processing, packaging and transportation. Just as all other industries, all stages require vast amount of mechanization, energy, vivisection (products tests), pollutants and habitat destruction. All are invisible when the final product sits on the shelves."
That's only the opening paragraph. please take the time and go over it. if you agree in the end at least you will learn something. and i am sure that any rational, compassionate and serious activist who really wants to stop all the suffering in the world and not just to personal guilt
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